[Howard Zinn raw #36]

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Filmmaker Denis Mueller interviews activist David Dellinger. They discuss Howard Zinn, Fred Hampton, and the anti-war movement.

0:04 Filmmaker Denis Mueller and David Dellinger sort out technical issues before the interview starts.

0:35 David Dellinger discusses the role of non-violent civil disobedience in the anti-war movement. He says they began with marches, which were often attacked. He discusses the importance of Zinn’s testimony in helping achieve a not guilty verdict for anti-war protesters on trial.

4:39 Dellinger recounts some of the demonstrations and direct actions undertaken by participants of the anti-war movement, including himself and Howard Zinn. He discusses about a brief stint of imprisonment in the early days of the movement.

10:36 Dellinger discusses the first time he met Howard Zinn. He says he was invited to Japan by the Beheiren movement (Japanese anti-war movement). While in Japan, he arranged to travel to North Vietnam. In North Vietnam, he visited American prisoners of war and discussed the possibility of their release, and then coordinated for Howard Zinn and Dan Berrigan to travel to Southeast Asia.

16:22 Dellinger speaks highly of Howard and Roslyn Zinn’s marriage, saying they offer each other support and treat each other as equals.

19:43 David Dellinger discusses the important role played by veterans in the anti-war movement.

21:57 Dellinger praises Zinn’s sense of humor.

24:50 Dellinger discusses his anti-war activities in Europe during the Korean War.

29:26 Dellinger talks about a demonstration that he and Zinn both got arrested at.

31:47 David Dellinger responds to a question about the ability of ordinary people to bring about social change.

36:37 Dellinger recalls traveling up to Boston for an anti-war meeting and seeing Howard Zinn give a rousing speech about the Vietnam War.

39:28 Dellinger discusses Fred Hampton. He says they weren’t able to meet with Bobby Seale in jail, so they met with Fred Hampton. “We were absolutely shocked when the attack took place from the police.” He recalls Hampton’s friend Deborah saying that she tried to wake up Hampton, but he must have been drugged.

47:12 Dellinger says that after an October 1967 attempt to shut down the Pentagon, many people involved in the movement moved away from non-violent tactics and created groups like The Weathermen. He discusses the tactical and ideological schisms that emerged within the civil rights movement and anti-war movement at the end of the 1960s.

53:24 Dellinger discusses the protests at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago and his adherence to non-violent principles.

56:15 Dellinger talks about Zinn’s principles. He attributes his affinity for non-violent direction to his direct participation in the early days of the civil rights movement while teaching at Spelman College in Atlanta, GA.



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